RE: New list please RE: C64 w/No Original Silicon!!!!

From: Richard Atkinson (
Date: 2001-05-11 18:34:09

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Marko Mäkelä wrote:

> One was about multi-tasking unix-like OSes, one about something else and
> the last one was hardware-related.  There was almost no traffic on the
> lists (at most a few messages per month).  Since I merged the lists,
> traffic has increased.  I'm sure that the first messages on this list (by
> myself, Ruud Baltissen, Frank Kontros and others) were very much hardware
> oriented.

c64-hackers and old-cbm merged around the time I joined, to become
cbm-hackers. That produced a fruitful cross-fertilisation of ideas.

> I've enjoyed following Ruud's PC-card thread on this list, although I
> cannot contribute much to that.  But I don't think that end-user related
> discussions and daydreams belong here.  Had the discussions on Jeri's
> board been on a technical level (e.g. questions on how the sprite logic
> should work and how it is implemented now), I wouldn't have minded.

Exactly. That would have been much more my scene. Jeri and Bil Herd
exchanged emails about VIC-II internals; it would have been nice to hear
that sort of thing here.

> To Ramses: I prefer an almost dead list with high signal to noise ratio
> over what cbm-hackers has become now.  Generic things can always be
> discussed on other fora, such as on the Usenet or other mailing lists.

I second that.

Steve, I read your email with interest; one particular point I want to
address here:

> The current situation is interesting.  I first notice that the people
> complaining right now -- you and me, for example! -- are people who  really
> haven't contributed much to the list lately.  Without projects of our own,
> and without helping others, we are users, not contributors, which makes me
> feel a little awkward.

While I agree that I haven't been particularly locquacious on this list
since my time in Austin, I think I would have been much more involved in
discussions of VIC-II internals (for example). My current projects are in
other 8 bit scenes at the moment - Yamaha YM2413B FM expansion pcbs for
the Sega Master System console and MSX computers. On the CBM side I am
focussing on the Toshiba T6721A speech chip in the Magic Voice and V364,
but haven't allocated much time to that since the work in Austin.

I don't like the closed, semi-commercial approach used in the J-board.
Rather than discussing technical details, this list is being used as a
user feedback forum to ensure that what is being designed (behind closed
doors and without technical discussion) will be what the "users" want.
This is just not the cbm-hackers way. In my humble opinion, of course.


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