Re: Doorst: rechten commodore

From: Professor Dredd (
Date: 2001-04-26 16:41:40

A labor of love is exactly correct. In that sense,
Jeri Ellsworth is right on track and well on her way
to a C-64 on a chip:

Really, it seems a little contrived to assume that by
putting a C-64 into a marketable "appliance" a market
will appear to buy it. If such a market exists, it is
already filled with dedicated devices to perform those
functions. PDA's and hand-held game units are popular
items, but putting a C-64 into a PDA won't help you
compete with the products that already occupy that

Anyone willing to pay for "C-64 ness" will be much
happier just to buy a new C-64. This will satisfy
their needs and they won't have to deal with the extra
baggage of another product wrapped around it.

That is probably the lesson of the Web-it 64. People
who want a C-64 are happy to spend $100.00 to put
together a system and have a real C-64. People who
want PC's are happy to spend $1000.00 on a new and
full-featured computer and they don't need a C-64.
They certainly won't be satisfied with an
under-powered 486 system and having pre-installed
emulation software doesn't do anything to offset that.

If you want a cheap PC that plays C-64 games, spend
$100.00 on a used 486 system and install Miha
Peternel's C64S. Run DOS for speed and you don't even
need Windows unless you want to browse the web.

The good thing about emulation is that it allows us to
preserve what we already have. Unfortunately, it does
nothing to advance the hardware of the C-64. No one
writes new sophisticated applications to run on
emulators. You can't browse the web from an emulator
like you can from a SuperCPU.

If you think long enough about it, you may realize (as
I have) that that's what you REALLY want. An advanced
hardware design built from the ground up with C-64
compatibility will satisfy all your desires.
Developers (and hackers) become most excited when they
have new toys to play with. Thus the SuperCPU begets
the Wave.

--- "Dave R." <> wrote:
> At 04:28 AM 4/26/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >While you and I (and many other C-64 enthusiasts)
> >would be willing to pay ALOT of $$$ for a new C-64,
> >that's not really a large enough market to justify
> the
> >development costs.
> That's true, we enthusiasts are the only market for
> such a device.  But I 
> think the development costs can be largely offset if
> you consider such a 
> device a "labor of love" by someone willing to spend
> their own time to 
> design a 64 replacement.  That only leaves their
> monetary investments to be 
> recouped, which shouldn't be too bad with the costs
> of programmable logic 
> technology.  If the entire 64 can be crammed into
> one FPGA, the chip itself 
> will probably only be $40-50 each in small
> quantities.  Add a board and 
> other parts and we're talking maybe, what, $150-$200
> per unit?

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