Re: cbm 8032 motherboard + 4164

From: smf <smf_at_null.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:49:09 +0100
Message-ID: <787c369a-5524-4fbc-24b4-786dbd5bd756@null.net>
I believe c128 came as standard with either 4164 or 41464s

41256 used on c128 ram upgrade 
(ftp://www.zimmers.net/pub/cbm/documents/projects/memory/c128/1028/1028.html) 
is 8 bit refresh (256 cycles)

http://www.datasheets360.com/pdf/-6344842929410839446

414256 is 9 bit refresh (512 cycles)
http://www.datasheets360.com/pdf/5352161926448073490

The apple 2 apparently doesn't have dram refresh, it uses the video 
fetches to refresh the memory. I'm not sure why the c64 is different.

On 12/10/2016 20:58, Terry Raymond wrote:
> Hi all,
> Are the 41256 Ram that was used on C128 or way earlier?
>
> Terry Raymond
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/12/2016 07:34 AM, Marko Mäkelä wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ruud,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 05:15:44AM +0000, Baltissen, GJPAA (Ruud) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hallo Gerrit,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 41256 need 8Bit refresh...
>>>> Nope. Otherwise the Finnish's and the 64'er's 256 KB hack on the C64
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> have worked.
>>>>
>>> The VIC-II in the C64 (as well as the VIC-IIe in the C128) implements an
>>> 8-bit refresh counter. That was proven in 1994 by the test program that
>>> Andreas Boose wrote, to check which memory addresses the VIC-II chip is
>>> reading.
>>>
>> There was no need to prove that... VIC (and TED) _has_ to supply an 8Bit
>> refresh since the 64Kx4 DRAMs and some of the 4164 need it. If VIC was only
>> doing 7Bit, Commodore would have been limited with the 4164 they could use
>> and the 250466 and 250469 boards couldn't exist.
>>
>> So when replacing 4116 DRAMs with 4164, make sure what kind of refresh
>> your system supplies. If you don't know, use 4164 that only need 7Bit
>> refresh. To find out, grab the datasheet.
>>
>>   Gerrit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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