If I had run Commodore......

From: gippah (tdotson_at_nabi.net)
Date: 1998-07-26 00:29:03

I was thinking last night about what I would have done differently if I
was running Commodore in the 80's.  Here it is:

Vic-20 - I would have done nothing different with the vic-20.   I would
have released it and pulled it at about the same times.

C-64 - My  initial release of this would have been also the same.

SX-64 - I would have never considered putting this out at all, even
though it was my first computer.

CP/M cartridge - Although CP/M was a viable market these days, I would
have found the cartridge to have been inferior.  On top of that, the
CP/M crowd and the c-64 crowd were remarkably different.  I would have
instead put out a dedicated CP/M machine, perhaps in the SX-64 case
(like a Kaypro).

PET series - since these were popular in universities, I would have made
a model with x terminal support.

264/364/+4/16 - I would have never considered for even a second the +4
or 16, I would have stuck with the 264/364 concept.  This would have
been the "home business" machine.  I would have only put out the 364,
because it has a numeric keypad.  This machine would have Basic 4.0, but
would also have an 80-column chip.  The integrated utilities would have
still been there, but better, and with 80-column support.  I would have
put a SID and a VIC-II in this machine as well, so my 364 would have
been kind of like a c128 minus the three-modes and 128k.  I would call
this machine the CBM 400 (after basic 4.0).  I wouldn't call it
"commodore" because I'd be aiming at the more businessy crowd.  This
computer would have built-in fastload routines (conflicts wouldnt arise
since it's a new machine with no current software) and the DOS wedge.
The port layout would have been the same as the c-64, with the
exceptions being the cartridge port (which I may have omitted
altogether) and the 80-column port.

At this point I would release a BASIC4.0 cartridge for the c-64,
allowing BASIC programs to be usable on either machine.  This cartridge
would have a disable switch for running programs written in 2.0.  ML
programs of course would still have been incompatible between machines;
but this wouldn't be so critical because this consisted of mostly games
for the c-64.  Magazines such as Compute! would make their type-in
programs all in basic 4 (most likely), so both machines would have a
better future.  All future-shipped c-64's would be bundled with this
cartridge as well.  Basic 2.0 would probably have been faster than 4.0
on the c-64 due to this design, but this would have been OK -- "power
users" could use Basic 2.0 easily, and typical users would enjoy the
easier-to-program-in BASIC 4.0.  Also included on this BASIC 4.0
cartridge would have been fastload routines (both for disk and tape) and
a DOS wedge.

When Jiffy DOS came out, I would have bought it and put them in all new
c-64's, making a new model:

C-64d - (d for disk-optimized).  This would have jiffy dos built in, and
the BASIC 4.0 cartridge would have also been built in, with the DOS
wedge and fastload routines removed (since they'd no longer be needed).
A disable switch would have been installed both for the JD and the BASIC
4.  This would have been in a dark case, kind of like the color that the
sx-64 was, with white keys.  A new 1541 model would have been released,
I'd probably call it the 1542, again with the black case and JD
installed.  ROMS would have also been available for people to install JD
on their older c64's -- although they'd obviously still have to use the
basic 4.0 in cartridge form.  I would have considered removing the
cassette port on this model.

Commodore LCD - I would have at least test marketed this thing.  If it
flopped, I would have tried very hard to license the display
technology.  If that failed, I'd sell the technology altogether to
someone else.

C-128 - The C-128 might not have existed if I'd been running things.
The c-128 was C='s way of shoving everything they'd done before into one
machine .... the +4 (albeit an upgraded one, and minus the built-in
programs), the 64, CP/M, 80 columns.  The only thing it would have added
to my C= line would have been more memory.  The REU's would have taken
care of this effectively.  Perhaps if my CBM 400 flopped like the +4/16
did in the real world I would have shoved them all into one model like
C= did, but I doubt it, I probably would have just let it go -- instead
just designing an 80-column board for the c-64 and calling it a day.

When GEOS 2.0 came out, I would have seriously considered bundling it
with the machine in cartridge form.

Commodore 900 - I would have put this out.  calling it the CBM 900.  The
PET line would be revamped and sold as terminals for this machine.

C65 - I probably would have never put this out, unless working
prototypes had been available by 1988 or so.

Commodore Magazine - I would have kept this going longer.

Now, for the Amiga:

Amiga 1000 - the same.
Amiga 500, 2000 - the same, although I probably would have given the 500
a model number higher than the 1000, perhaps I'd call the models the
2000 and 2500 (the 2000 number going to the lesser machine, the 500).

Unlike C=, I would have not sat on the Amiga technology until 1993.
(Six years with no new models!  Retards!)  I would have upgraded the
Amiga models constantly, including built-in networking support, improved
video and speed, a laser printer, SVGA, built-in cdrom drives, etc.
Basically any time the Apple or PC line came up with something new that
had capabilities beyond the Amiga, I'd make an Amiga model with the same
capabilites.  I'd shoot for a new hardware model with tangible upgrades
every 18 months.

Another thing I would have done is insisted that Qlink make a client for
the Amiga, I would have even offered to pay for it or even design it
altogether.


From: lmcclure@ibm.net (Lonnie McClure)
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In article <35BA5C2E.8DF1DD14@nabi.net>, gippah (tdotson@nabi.net) 
stated:

> C-64 - My  initial release of this would have been also the same.
 
I would used the 64's potential for faster disk speeds, even at the 
expense of making it incompatible with the existing 1540 drives for the 
VIC-20 (by making use of the properly working shift register in the 
6526). I imagine Commodore might have as well, had they any clue how many 
64 users would purchase disk drives, and how long lived the 64 would be.
To be fair, from 1998, I do have the advantage of amazing hindsight.
 
I would have likely also investing in tooling for a new, more appealing 
case long before they did with the 64C, possibly even from the date of 
introduction (if I had faith it was going to be even more popular than 
the VIC-20), and would almost have certainly used a different color 
scheme for the case and keyboard. If circuitry design considerations 
permitted, I would have made the break to separate, non-shifted cursor 
keys.
  
 
> SX-64 - I would have never considered putting this out at all, even
> though it was my first computer.
 
An example of how something that may not be good for the company is 
appreciated by the consumer. Certainly there are a number of us who wish 
Commodore has made the "mistake" of finishing and releasing the C65 to 
the mass market.
 
> CP/M cartridge - Although CP/M was a viable market these days, I would
> have found the cartridge to have been inferior.  On top of that, the
> CP/M crowd and the c-64 crowd were remarkably different.  I would have
> instead put out a dedicated CP/M machine, perhaps in the SX-64 case
> (like a Kaypro).
 
I would wager even Commodore did not want to introduce the CP/M cart (at 
least once they actually started to design the thing). From my 
understanding, since CP/M compatibility as an option was mentioned on the 
64 box, the FTC apparently "encouraged" them to follow through.

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