From: MagerValp (MagerValp_at_cling.gu.se)
Date: 2004-06-18 12:38:28
>>>>> "RB" == Baltissen, GJPAA (Ruud) <email@example.com> writes: RB> As some of you already know, yesterday the new Commodore presented RB> itself to the world. I was invited as well to speak to the RB> community as one of the users. I felt awfull when on stage :( It was really good to see you there though - inviting you means that they at least care about the existing community. RB> Most important thing: I have spoken with the top of Tulip and RB> Commodore, four men. One thing we have discussed are the sites RB> like FUNET and ARNOLD, sites that archive ROMs and games. RB> Regarding the games, utilities and other non-system-ROMs they were RB> clear: they considered that as there legal property and as they RB> wanted to make money with it, they would protect these rights. And RB> with reason, see later. The phrase "biting the hand that feeds you" springs to mind. The only reason there is a living C= brand that they can profit from is because we have kept it alive, with hardware expansions, emulators, and "illegal" software. RB> The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him RB> if the ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart. Having it inside the ASIC would make it more or less impossible to produce a 2nd device with different games, so that wouldn't make sense. RB> - Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap RB> and other technical details so programmers are able to develop new RB> games etc. for this new C64. It's going to take a more open attitude from their side if they want anyone to embrace it. Making the ROMs unavailable, effectively making legal use of VICE a hassle, wouldn't exactly charm a lot of develop- ers. RB> This C64-joystick is the reason they want to protect their legal RB> rights about the games. But they also want to stimulate the old RB> community to develop programs for this new C64, the community that RB> has thrived on the availability of ROMs and other information. And RB> you won't be making friends by taking away that where those RB> friends are thriving on :) Indeed. RB> Another point is the makers of hardware like Maurice Randall but RB> also people like Markus Brenner and the Czechs who produce the RB> IDE64. Particulary those who produce hardware that is to be RB> connected to the userport or expansionport. I didn't realise it RB> but these ports are intellectual properties of Commodore as well. RB> So actually anyone building hardware for these ports has to pay C= RB> a fee as well. And this is absolute bollocks. The information was published by C= back in 1982 without any restrictions, and if any patents covered it they have expired by now. RB> - sites publishing games and related software owned by Commodore RB> have to remove it. The important part here being "owned by Commodore". Out of those 6000 games, is that even 100? PS: Ruud, of course none of this criticism is directed towards you! -- ___ . . . . . + . . o _|___|_ + . + . + . Per Olofsson, arkadspelare o-o . . . o + MagerValp@cling.gu.se - + + . http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/ Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list
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