Re: CommodoreWorld

From: CreaMD / Dmagic (
Date: 2004-06-18 12:13:41

Hi Ruud,

I saw you on the conference, very sympathetic speech, I was almost sorry 
for you that you had to be there when there were those me-too 
presentations of Tulip new C= products.,  thanx for finally explaining 
what is behind the C64 joystick. It's much more than I have ever 
expected. That sounds quite positive.  Can I republish your e-mail or 
part of your e-mail at If so, could you write me personal 
e-mail with edit info? (

Question is how will they produce new SID's?  Another question which is 
just discussed at is that games they offer are cracked, (and 
probably will be- or will have to be cracked in future for the 
pulbishing at their site).

thanx in advance,


Baltissen, GJPAA (Ruud) wrote:

>Hallo allemaal,
>As some of you already know, yesterday the new Commodore presented itself to
>the world. I was invited as well to speak to the community as one of the
>users. I felt awfull when on stage :( 
>Most important thing: I have spoken with the top of Tulip and Commodore,
>four men. One thing we have discussed are the sites like FUNET and ARNOLD,
>sites that archive ROMs and games. Regarding the games, utilities and other
>non-system-ROMs they were clear: they considered that as there legal
>property and as they wanted to make money with it, they would protect these
>rights. And with reason, see later.
>Personal point of view: I understand completely and accept it. (But I cannot
>say I like it). 
>The system-ROMs are another matter. They realise that the C= community is as
>it is nowadays, thanks to you guys and the information that is available
>worldwide. Three of the four agree that there has to be made an arrangement
>or whatever where both parties, Commodore and we developers, could live
>with. I spoke with the fourth guy, one of the original Tulip-guys and merely
>money orientated, and showed him things the community had developed on their
>own the last ten years: Retro Replay, X1541, IDE64, 64HDD and.... Marko's
>CD. He was impressed and would think things over. But don't blame him as a
>person, he is a nice guy IMHO, but one that has to run a bussines.
>A small problem is that they want to sell or include an emulator with one of
>their products. But they realise that the community as it is now probably is
>not waiting for their emulator as there are some very good ones available
>for free. With this emulator they have a reason to forbid publishing
>systemROMs as wel but.....
>I spoke with Darren Melbourne, the man behind Ironstone, as well. Ironstone
>is responsible for the C64-joystick C= will start to sell around
>october/november. I, of course, asked him about the hardware. 
>The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him if the
>ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart.
>The good news: I know about who is behind the development of this C64 and
>therefor we can expect quite some suprises:
>- The new C64 will have at least 265 colours
>- It will have higher resolutions
>- It will have two SID's onboard
>- The ASIC runs on 27 MHz. I hardly can imagine it needs 27 cycles to
>emulate one of the original C64. 
>- I asked Darren if there are plans to produce a big C64 based on this
>print. So he revealed that, although it resembles a joystick, all
>connections of the normal ports are available in the form of pads. So one
>could solder his own expansionport, userport or whatever to this stick.
>- Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap and other
>technical details so programmers are able to develop new games etc. for this
>new C64. 
>The disclaimer: The above info is given by me as it was told me. I'm only
>human and I could have understood some things wrong. Etc., etc., etc. 
>About the person: Darren doesn't mind to tell me who it is but the person
>self does because of a personal reason.
>This C64-joystick is the reason they want to protect their legal rights
>about the games. But they also want to stimulate the old community to
>develop programs for this new C64, the community that has thrived on the
>availability of ROMs and other information. And you won't be making friends
>by taking away that where those friends are thriving on :)
>Another point is the makers of hardware like Maurice Randall but also people
>like Markus Brenner and the Czechs who produce the IDE64. Particulary those
>who produce hardware that is to be connected to the userport or
>expansionport. I didn't realise it but these ports are intellectual
>properties of Commodore as well. So actually anyone building hardware for
>these ports has to pay C= a fee as well. 
>Regarding Maurice, he bought the stuff from CMD and Tulip/Commodore doesn't
>know what agreement CMD had with the original C=. 
>Regarding others: three of the four agreed that as long as no big money is
>involved, they leave the situation as it is.
>I mentioned the above in my speach and the fourth guy told me he started to
>realise that actions against these people would loose them a lot of sympathy
>of the old community as well.
>The fact is: Commodore/Tulip thrives on the fact that the name Commodore is
>know worlwide and on the sympathy created (merely) by the C64. So they want
>to avoid any action that will loose this precious sympathy. But they have a
>bussiness to run so some things are unavoidable.
>- sites publishing games and related software owned by Commodore have to
>remove it.
>- sites publishing kernals/systemROMs are tolerated for the moment [1].
>- producers of hardware are tolerated as long as there is not really big
>money involved for the moment [1].
>Rereading the above I may sound a bit pro-Tulip but it is a fact that they
>have the law on their side. Yesterday I used this example: imagine you
>inherit a fruitgarden with apples and pears, which has been left alone for
>ten years. Because nobody cared, the neighbouhood got used to pick their own
>fruit every autumn. 
>You as the new owner, are only interested in the apples as the pears have no
>real commercial value for you. So you can leave them hanging to rot or....
>tell the neighbourhood generously to help themself with the pears as you
>don't have a really need for them for the moment [1]. 
>As you have the law on your side, most people will accept the situation. But
>what are you going to do with people that still pick (thus steal) your
>apples as well?
>[1] notice the "for the moment". Lets face it, things can change in the
>future. But I have been there and I left with a good feeling.
>And now you can shoot.....
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