Re: C64 Cost-reduction Prototype? ASSY 250458/PCB 252101 REV.1

From: Peter Rittwage <peter_at_rittwage.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 07:54:40 -0400
Message-ID: <CAJxOZi39j=pJwFc1Vn-Jfk9qMv_DymGWOVzGWYAJuDVcNfvd+Q_at_mail.gmail.com>
I had no idea the 8562 was already in development back in 1984.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 6:28 AM Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 1:34 AM Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit_at_laosinh.s.bawue.de>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/26 06:42, Alexander Jacocks wrote:
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > I've had this C64 for a few years, and it would need some attention to
>> > be functional, but it was immediately obvious to me that it wasn't a
>> > normal machine because it has a flat-flex keyboard cable. Then, when I
>> > looked closer, most of the chips are normal, but:
>> >
>> > 1) The ROM is an EPROM, and appears to be a combo basic/kernal
>> > 2) The IC in U6 is purple ceramic, and clearly has a hand-stamped
>> label,
>> > "240431", which doesn't match anything that I am aware of. Based on
>> > location, it's a 6510 of some variety, but maybe a test production run
>> > of the 8500?
>> > 3) There are extra wires on the keyboard itself (which is a Mitsumi
>> > membrane)
>> > 4) The board has a SuperPLA, 251715-1
>> > 5) The RAM is 2 64k x 4 HM50464-15 chips like the 250266 and 250469
>> >
>> > I'm sure that there are other oddities. I've shared a quick album of
>> > photos here:
>> > https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1f5BydzFLHLGD <https://
>> > www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1f5BydzFLHLGD>
>> >
>> > I've not attempted to power up the machine and would need to at least
>> > dump the ROM first.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts/comments are welcome.
>>
>> That looks like an early version of what would become the 250469 board.
>> Some ICs are in a different position or orientation, but the general
>> layout is there, including the 251715-01 PLA. The contents of the EPROM
>> should be identical to the 251913-01 ROM which is pincompatible with a
>> 27128 EPROM. That IC with the 240431 number is probably the 8500 CPU.
>> The 8500 also appeared on some 250425 boards.
>>
>> Also, a photo of the full board would be nice. The only one that comes
>> close is fuzzy.
>>
>>   Gerrit
>>
>
> Thanks, Gerritt. If you click on the fuzzy image of the whole board, you
> should be able to see the full resolution version. Same for the other
> photos.
>
> Hopefully this link will go directly to the full-size image:
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1f5BydzFLHLGD;D5AA8DA6-B68C-4B33-BE11-9AAD6C64CFC8
>
> - Alex
>
>>
>>
>>

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Received on 2026-08-26 13:00:01

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