Re: Educator 64 video board schematics wanted

From: David Roberts <daver21145_at_gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 07:42:58 +0100
Message-ID: <CAC5emFFHuaLp98+qMwhQVwh2btXd0_CKADaYf9DMtCribhmQ2A_at_mail.gmail.com>
I am not sure why replacing the HORIZONTAL size potentiometer would affect
a VERTICAL scan problem though?

A VERTICAL size potentiometer (if one is fitted) - yes.

Dave


On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, 21:34 Santo Nucifora, <santo.nucifora_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to close this off, I didn't find the schematic but I did find the
> issue.  Seems to be common as it's affected all three of my Educator 64s in
> some way.  One had complete vertical field collapse, another displayed
> about 1 inch of width in the middle of the screen and the last one that I
> thought was good was very glitchy.  Adjusting the horizontal pot at R341
> would be so touchy that it would collapse with the slightest move.
>
> On all three units, I replaced the horizontal size pot at R341 with a 1M
> ohm potentiometer (Digikey part PT15LV18-105A2020-S) and they are all fine
> now.  One of my units was completely original except for that pot so it
> must be a common problem.  Anyway, I thought I would post for anyone who
> might find this in the future.
>
> Thanks for the assistance all the same Gerrit.
> Santo
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 1:41 PM Turk[z] <alienzone_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'll not help you, but I'm searching for help. I've an Educator 64
>> too, without his monitor, but i've a pet 8032 monitor. Is possible make it
>> works?
>>
>> Il Mer 12 Lug 2023, 18:04 Santo Nucifora <santo.nucifora_at_gmail.com> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>> HI Gerrit,
>>>
>>> The TDA1170 has been replaced just to make sure it was not that.  I am
>>> fairly sure that during troubleshooting a couple years back, the NE556 was
>>> swapped and the original put back in but I should recheck that.  You do
>>> make a good point about the socket however.  Maybe a quick replacement is
>>> in order just in case.
>>>
>>> I've also replaced most of the caps.  A couple of the NP caps I could
>>> not get direct replacements and I did not replace the largest cap but that
>>> didn't help.  I've also taken out all transistors and diodes and checked
>>> them out of circuit.
>>>
>>> The next thing I was going to do was test the potentiometers.  I've used
>>> contact cleaner in them and they seem clean but they should be tested.
>>>
>>> Santo
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 11:16 AM Gerrit Heitsch <
>>> gerrit_at_laosinh.s.bawue.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/12/23 16:36, Santo Nucifora wrote:
>>>> > I am trying to fix a Commodore PET Educator 64 model that has video
>>>> > issues. There is no schematic that I could find for the board marked
>>>> > with a part number of "02-96409 REV 3". Would anyone have a schematic
>>>> > for it?
>>>> >
>>>> > Here is a picture, if it helps:
>>>> >
>>>> https://vintagecomputer.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Educator64-02-96409Rev3-videoboard-scaled.jpg
>>>> <
>>>> https://vintagecomputer.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Educator64-02-96409Rev3-videoboard-scaled.jpg
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >  From my understanding, the monitor in the Educator 64 allows for
>>>> shades
>>>> > of grey (or green in this case) and is not a standard PET monitor so
>>>> it
>>>> > may be specific to the Educator 64 only. This monitor will run with
>>>> > signals from an unmodified C64 motherboard. The PET 64, however, has
>>>> > extra circuitry on a small daughterboard that changes the video
>>>> signal
>>>> > to black and white so that a normal PET monitor will work.
>>>> >
>>>> > I currently have vertical collapse on this particular monitor. The
>>>> video
>>>> > output of the C64 via an external monitor is good so the signal
>>>> should
>>>> > be good as well. Having a schematic would help with diagnosing the
>>>> > vertical circuit.
>>>>
>>>> Can't help you with the schematic, but the TDA1170 is the IC that
>>>> controls the vertical deflection and a datasheet is easily available.
>>>> The TDA1180 is for the horizontal part.
>>>>
>>>> You might also want to check the socketed NE556 on the left side.
>>>> Sockets can develop contact problems over time and this doesn't look
>>>> like a quality socket. Same goes for all the potentiometers and that
>>>> little switch.
>>>>
>>>>   Gerrit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
Received on 2023-07-18 09:00:02

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