On Thu 20 Feb 2020 at 23:03:47 +0000, smf wrote: > On 20/02/2020 17:50, John Herron wrote: > > Interesting and valid story. I personally thought the issue is that > > the rights and different copyrights aren't globally the same. > > The commodore trademark was sold separately to tulip. It got moved > around various times and like all good commodore stories, it ended up in > court. > > http://www.crisona.com/iplaw/cases/12-cv-928.pdf > <http://www.crisona.com/iplaw/cases/12-cv-928.pdf> > > (according to which it's registered in over 50 countries) That's a fascinating read. The events are hilarious, and remind me somewhat of the situation where Atari had lent money to Amiga, and if they didn't repay this in time, Atari would get to own the Amiga chips. Here we have some Dutch guys who lent some money (800 000 Euro) to "Asiarim", with "C=Holdings B.V." (formerly "Commodore International B.V." (confusingly similar to CIL, Commodore International of the Bahamas I think)) as sort-of collateral. Since indeed they didn't get their money back in time, they got C=Holdings instead (including "the Commodore trademarks"). And then, in front of the court, Asiarim (also including at least one Dutch guy) pretended that it didn't happen. I have some experience with reading court documents and transcripts (from the Groklaw website, which covered some cases like SCO versus IBM (over Linux) and Oracle versus Google (over Android). Judges are typically very restrained in their commentary when they listen to what either side is telling. So when I found this bit, where the court has been listening to basically a bunch of lies: THE COURT: Mm-hmm. that looked like a loud exclamation of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" but then translated to judge-speak :-) It is amazing how many dutch people have been involved in all this stuff over the years... -Olaf. -- Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- rhialto at falu dot nl ___ Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on \X/ no account be allowed to do the job. --Douglas Adams, "THGTTG"
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