Re: PET 2001N $E8xx data bus conflict?

From: Francesco Messineo <francesco.messineo_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:46:09 +0200
Message-ID: <CAESs-_zgeD9aGWmh_VV83Zsa2YbvV5ryZw3F3Bg-WFJ-r9Q8Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Christian,
that makes sense indeed, I was too lazy to actually check a 2316/2716
datasheet and the schematic seemed to imply I could put a 2532 in UD8
too. So the 2001N addressing is much similar to the 2001, it doesn't
have I/O shadows each 256 bytes but it can't use the "free" addresses
for ROM.
Now it makes sense of course. Yes it would be much better to put the
I/O ports at $88xx, I can't even imagine why they didn't that in the
first place. Maybe someone foresaw a case for expanding the video RAM
to 4K in 1977?

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Christian Dirks <Toast_r@idealine.info> wrote:
> Pin 18 is /CS2 on the 2316 ROM and the 2516/2716 EPROM.
> On the Mainboard, Pin 18 is Connected to A11.
> It works unless you try to use a 2332 / 2532,
> which will give the named conflict.
>
> The reason for not using the x8xx signal to blank out only the 256 byte
> I/O window from the /CS for UD8 seems to be, that orignally it was
> planned to use another memory configuration, which eventually was
> abandoned to  be compatibile with the orignal PET:
> On page 1 of the schematics (upper right, next to the memory expansion
> connector) you can find a jumper for a signal named I/O.
> It allows to move the I/O adress window from E8xx to 88xx.
> In this configuration, a 2332/2532 can be used for UD8.
> This memory configuration would have been much more flexible, it would
> give a continous ROM area from $9000 to $FFFF without the I/O window in
> between.
>
> Christian
>
>
> Am 16.04.2018 um 14:15 schrieb Francesco Messineo:
>> Hi All,
>> looking at 320349 2001N schematics on zimmers.net I can't really
>> understand how the I/O space addressing don't make a data bus
>> conflict.
>> On schematic 4, the UD8 select is directly connected to /SELE, which
>> is low from $E000 to $EFFF, so UD8 must hold the databus even during
>> $E8xx accesses.
>> UD8 databus, like all other ROMs, appear to be directly connected to
>> 6502's databus, without buffers.
>> What am I missing? In the original 2001, there was no ROM mapped from
>> $E8000 to $EFFF, but in 2001N, the I/O chips are addressed with both
>> /SELE and X8XX signal that decodes (as the name suggests)
>> A11,A10,A9,A8 = $8.
>> I feel stupid, I know that 2001N works in real life, I have one
>> myself, but I can't think that schematic is correct.
>>
>> Frank IZ8DWF
>>
>
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Received on 2018-04-16 21:00:02

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