Re: strange 2001N fault

From: Francesco Messineo <francesco.messineo_at_gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:48:15 +0100
Message-ID: <CAESs-_zFM0kdLEW+ipwj-vCUCqkHO3ose8BHKLtbKiNoYOsqKw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Gerrit Heitsch
<gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> wrote:
> On 02/20/2018 08:24 PM, Francesco Messineo wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Gerrit Heitsch
>> <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/20/2018 07:28 PM, Gerrit Heitsch wrote:
>>>>
>
>
>
> This will take a bit longer, but try to trigger on the address line going
> high or low. If that happens too early, you will then see /RAS going low
> right after.
>
> Of course that means you need to switch the trigger to see both.
>
>
>> I'll see how close is too close for a 4116 anyway, maybe I'm lucky if
>> I can have a couple of /RAS cycles on the same sweep and still
>> measure when an address is changing too close (if any).

I've already checked on the datasheet, the 4116 doesn't need any setup
time before /RAS, it just needs
35 ns minimum hold time on the row address (on the slowest grade, but
I expect the PET timings must be ok for a 250 ns DRAM).

>
> It would be the best explanation for strange memory problems. If you can't
> see anything and the control signals look good, it might be time to swap the
> 74LS153 just to be sure.
>
> Of course, you also need to verify that the refresh counter actually counts
> properly and that should be easy enough to check. 4116 want 128 refresh
> cycles in 2ms. If the refresh  counter doesn't work, the memory accesses
> from the CPU will be all the refresh the DRAM gets and then it depends what
> rows the CPU is actually accessing... (since every read access is also a
> refresh).

yes, refresh counter was one of the first things that I checked, since
the faults seemed to be related to the
activity I was doing on the machine (they're not related actually).
Crossing fingers to see an address changing too early after /RAS now...

Frank

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