Re: Difference in luma-chroma delay of C64/C128 compared to standard S-video

From: smf <smf_at_null.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 11:13:18 +0100
Message-ID: <bd274d1a-ae3f-be10-b535-79151a666bb9@null.net>
On 02/09/2017 21:42, silverdr@wfmh.org.pl wrote:

> So - as mentioned several times - do I, but I still just tested the 
> signal from a Fluke 54200 using both the Y/C and CVBS outputs. Result: 
> there are no easily measurable differences between the two types of 
> signal. Chroma and luma changes very precisely, seemingly within less 
> than 10ns. Can't really measure it better using the scope only. It's 
> even harder with composite but when placed one over another than the 
> difference between the two is about 11ns. But this only tells that the 
> generator's outputs are 11ns apart, which seems understandable - 
> composite is about 11ns late. 

The 5 pin c64 didn't have separate chrominance output, it only had 
luminance and composite. For those you want a 1701 monitor

The 8 pin c64 added chrominance and +5v. For those you want a 1702 monitor

https://gona.mactar.hu/Commodore/monitor/Commodore_monitors_by_model_number.html

I would expect composite to be delayed compared to luminance, because 
it's gone through more processing. Putting the delay in the c64 would 
not be cost effective as commodore sold many times more c64s than 
monitors. There is a monitor specifically for 5 pin c64's, I would hope 
it takes it into account.

On the 8 pin c64 then I would hope the luminance and chrominance is in 
sync, however that doesn't stop the user from trying to use a cable from 
a 5 pin.

I vaguely remember trying to use Y/C on a c128 with a philips monitor 
using a commodore cable and having all sorts of colour bleeding 
problems. I was probably trying to use the wrong type of cable, I need 
to dig it out to see whether I figured it out.



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