Under U.S. law and other countries which the U.S. reciprocally recognizes copyrights have all established that in order to transfer the copyright to another, it is required to have an agreement in writing that is signed by all parties. It is basically a contract agreement that maybe called an Asset Purchase Agreement where the copyright holder (Seller) sells the Asset (as listed in the agreement such as the copyrights) to the Buyer (recipient of the transaction). The agreement would indicate that the copyright holder (Seller) aka "Assignor" will transfer / assign the ownership rights of the copyrights to the "Buyer" (Assignee) upon paying the amount agreed to in the contract. When a company buys the company that holds the assets, a similar agreement is made with acquisitions of entire companies and assets. This acquisition must indicate the assets. These agreements can be complex and lengthy in outlining the assets as well as liabilities. They maybe placed at the end of the contract as Appendices or something to outline in detail the Assets and the Liabilities which may take more time to prepare than the main contract terms itself in general. These types of legal documents are almost certainly is in writing and signed by the parties of the contract. ESCOM didn't exactly buy Commodore corporation in Bahamas and so forth. They bought assets as part of the liquidation. What did ESCOM exactly get? Same question for each subsequent holder of assets from the former Commodore, if there is any subsequent owner of each individual asset. We know certain assets did transfer but did all the assets transferred? We have to follow the assets and where they went to. In this particular case regarding the topic of Commodore 8-bit copyrights, we are looking at the copyrights for the 8-bit Commodore platform. There must be a record of each agreement from which the assets transferred. In each agreement, there is an outlined of how the assets are moved between business entities and what was the assets. If there is ANY point where the copyrights for the Commodore 8-bit computers did not transfer to a subsequent holder of those rights then the assignee of those rights as documented in the last documented transfer of the copyrights with a continuous chain back to the original copyright holder (Commodore [Bahamas] as part of that whole corporation). If there is ANY point where the copyrights for the Commodore 8-bit computers did not transfer to a subsequent holder of those rights that do not lead to Cloanto then Cloanto's claim to those copyrights are invalid. It's kind of like buying a car from someone who doesn't hold title to the car without any record of a sale transaction(s) leading back to the last party to hold title. It would be akin to selling a stolen car. Someone selling copyrights to another party without lawfully owning the copyrights is illegal. This doesn't apply to an agent of a Copyright holder commissioned to carry out the selling of the assets. Basically, they are just legal agents to serving the process of transferring assets. Legal stuff is very lengthy so I apologize for the length of the message. This is just microscopic to the legal documents that have to be researched to follow how the assets of Commodore. It's important to have your legal defense if you become subject to a legal threat to have this researched thoroughly. NOWHERE AT ANYTIME DOES IGNORANCE OF THE LAW PROVIDE FOR ANY EXCEPTION OR EXEMPTION FROM THE PENALTIES OF VIOLATING ANY LAW. You don't have to be an attorney to research law. > > On September 3, 2017 at 4:24 PM Glenn Holmer <email@example.com> wrote: > > On 09/03/2017 10:00 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org > email@example.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a ridiculous claim. Prove it. > > > > > > > > > > Sure but when things are as muddy as it is with Commodore rights then > > yes. Point is prove it is the point. It's not even clear that ESCOM > > actually ever got the copyrights. It's unclear if ESCOM did get the > > copyrights that it ever transferred to either Tulip or Gateway Inc. > > and so forth. Trademarks, yes. Copyrights not so sure. > > > > > > How do you know any of this? I don't see any citations. Also, just out > of curiosity, which law school did you attend? > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list > Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing listReceived on 2017-09-04 01:00:01
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