Re: VIC-II Sync & Luma signal

From: Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit_at_laosinh.s.bawue.de>
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:41:29 +0100
Message-ID: <510EBD69.8050806@laosinh.s.bawue.de>
On 02/03/2013 07:58 PM, Rob Clarke wrote:
> On 03/02/2013 19:03, Gerrit Heitsch wrote:
>>
>> The luma pin needs a pullup to work. It will only sink current but not
>> supply it. The datasheet specifies a 500 Ohm pullup. The usual circuit
>> also contains a diode (1N4148 for example) between VIC and pullup.
> Hmm, I assume the pullup is in the modulator on this board. I just
> powered it on without the vic present and there's nothing pulling it up
> so that could be the problem.

Maybe the diode died?


>>> What is the minimum requirements a VIC-II needs to generate a sync
>>> signal?
>>
>> It should do that once you supply power and clock. There will be no
>> picture, but the sync signals should be there. Can be easily seen if
>> you use a real CRT monitor. When you turn on an otherwise dead C64,
>> you still get a twitch from the monitor once it locks onto the sync
>> signal from VIC.
> I have a scope so I've been looking at the signal on the pin itself.

Well, you could bend the pin from the socket, add a 1 KOhm pullup to +5V 
and take a look at the scope again. You should then see something.



>> Also, on the 250425:
>>
>> - +12V are present at Pin13 of the VIC?
> yep
>> - Clock signals are present (dot clock and color clock!)?
> yep, both
>> - Does the board contain any MOS-TTLs? (small ICs with MOS logo
> yes, it has a 7711 instead of a 74ls139, a 7712 instead of 74ls08 and
> 7708's instead of the dram mux's. Why do you ask?

Because the MOS-TTLs are known to fail. Quite often when I come about a 
dead board, all I need to do is to replace the 77xx with the proper 
74LSxxx and I have a working C64 again.

They also fail in interesting ways...

Those were a stopgap anyway when Commodore couldn't source the 74LSxxx, 
they made their own replacement. From the numbering using HMOS-I.

  Gerrit



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