Hi Bil, On 2012-04-23 20:59, Bil Herd wrote: > Anybody see anything wrong if I make an archive or a live feed of CBM > Hackers on my website? A couple of things that come to mind have already been pointed out by others. A couple of other things have been not (yet). This is a very old list. In fact, this list started off as two separate lists at lists.funet.fi way back in the early '90s. A rather large percentage of members have joined already back then and kept their memberships ever since. When I ask myself, what makes cbm-hackers different from general Commodore-related forums and usenet newsgroups at the first place, I can only think of the most basic difference: this is a mailing list, whilst the others are mostly online discussion forums. To approach that from a bit different point, and a bit more of a depth, the norms of some specific group are transmitted (kept up) by resident group members (the more respected, the better). This works as long as fluctuation is relatively low (ie. new members adopt the norms of the group, and not the other way around), and new, to-be members are generally ready / able to accept the specific group's norms... (or already represent most of the norms themself in the optimal case). Online discussion forums aren't very good at that. Fluctuation is usually pretty high, "membership" is flimsy, not really defined. This list, from the other hand, has had its core group from the very beginning, with its rather unique norms. Preserving these norms has IMO always been helped by the fact that, in order to be a member, someone definitely had to 1.) find the list, 2.) find out how to sign up, 3.) commit the sign-up process, 4.) and _then_, he could post his first message. (Such a simple requirement of commitment and ability, as it appears, can make such difference...) So, if you ask me, I'm absolutely fine with list archives, as long as they respect list members privacy. I agree, making these discussions available as an information base is a good thing and is preferred (well, generally, for most of the archive content). Purely listing and indexing what has been discussed on the list also doesn't seem to have any negative impact on the list (by itself) in any way. As others have pointed out, filtering and mangling e-mail addresses should be a must. I'd add that I'm not sure whether listing posters' full names with posts is preferred (at least if the archive was fully open for both the public and online indexing engines). Strictly speaking, list members never permit lists to make their posts world readable, let alone have them indexed by public search engines at the first place (as traditional mailing lists are simply never truly world readable, e-mails are shared amongst list members only, and are definitely never indexed to the public), even if list archives are done as they're usually done. If you're planning on going further and make something even more sophisticated than a mailing list archive, though, I'd suppose that it's most probably fine as long as it doesn't change the list's most basic principle, ie. that it is a mailing list. That is, as long as potential newbies still have to sign up in e-mail, as ever, and still post to the list in e-mail. (No online web ui skin on top of the list with "simple" signup + online posting options and such.) Technically speaking, this list is currently maintained by Uz a.k.a Ullrich von Bassewitz, you should probably contact him (if you haven't already done so). Best regards, Levente Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing listReceived on 2012-05-09 01:00:05
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